Podcast Spotlight: Zanthe Taylor ’93 and Andrew Boer ’93 Dig Into Political and Social Issues

Andrew Boer ’93, left, and Zanthe Taylor ’93 host the biweekly podcast “Z to A: We’ve Got Issues.” Below, Boer and Taylor during their Princeton years.

Photos courtesy Zanthe Taylor and Andrew Boer

Brett Tomlinson
By Brett Tomlinson

Published Oct. 25, 2018

5 min read

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When Zanthe Taylor ’93 and Andrew Boer ’93 became friends in their freshman year at Princeton, neither spent much time discussing politics. But as their 25th reunion approached, the two found themselves more engaged in political and social debates — often with divergent opinions.

Taylor, a stay at home mother who has written freelance stories for Psychology Today, HuffPost, and The Washington Post, identifies as a liberal, progressive, and feminist. Boer, a digital entrepreneur and president of the marketing firm Movable Media, says his views are more centrist. On their podcast, Z to A: We’ve Got Issues — available on iTunes and Podbean and now in its second year — Taylor and Boer dig into the news from their own viewpoints and look at other positions along the political spectrum. Earlier this month, they spoke with PAW’s Brett Tomlinson.

It started on Facebook

Zanthe: “When Trump was elected, I found myself really struggling to find a medium in which to express myself more clearly about what I was feeling, and I was putting a lot of that on Facebook.”

Andrew: “I was noticing how many of her posts were … essentially triggering me, in the sense that I would get upset. Sometimes I might engage and respond, but at some point I unfriended Zanthe. And then maybe a week later, I re-friended her and I said, ‘Look, I unfriended you and I don't want to do that, but I think maybe what we should do is we should just do a podcast and talk about this all this,’ because I started feeling myself pulling away from being open-minded to the other side.”

Zanthe: “We were really interested in the idea of what happens when you take this conversation that’s happening online and you make it real — you put two people who like each other, who haven’t really been close in a long time except via social media, and take the conversation back from the virtual space into a real space.”

Keeping an open mind

Zanthe: “You expose yourself a lot when you do this publicly, and I think that’s been frightening, actually, to some extent, even though we don’t have a massive number of listeners. Andrew, especially — I admire him being willing to open himself up and have these discussions where I sometimes lace into him.”

THE PLAYLIST

Three more podcasts to check out this month

1. Sociology professor FREDERICK WHERRY explores why some economic policies disproportionately affect black communities on Intersections, from the Brookings Institution.

2. Dr. DONNICA MOORE ’81 interviews friend and classmate MARTHA BUTTENHEIM ’81 on In the Ladies’ Room.

3. Dreams in Drive host RANA CAMPBELL ’13 talks about her decision to quit her day job and concentrate on her work as a marketing entrepreneur.

Andrew: “Not into me, necessarily, but what I represent. I think that I what I’m trying to do is put myself into a situation where I’m open to changing my mind, and I think what Zanthe’s trying to do is to change my mind.”

Zanthe: “And you’ve changed my thinking on certain things as well. I definitely see things more empathetically than I did before we started. So I think there’s some catharsis here.”

Andrew: “I think that’s why it works. If we were just two people arguing with each other, maybe it would be entertainment, but it wouldn’t be serving the purpose that I think we’re trying to serve.”

‘Not My Tribe’

In a recurring segment, Zanthe and Andrew quiz each other on news stories from sources they’re unlikely to have read.

Andrew: “It’s funny because I’d never read Breitbart or The Daily Caller or even Fox News before this (I read The Wall Street Journal). I started reading [conservative news sites] for the show, and then of course your browser thinks that’s you and starts putting you in that bubble. But I’ve found that pretty interesting. I would say that we are getting maybe too good at ‘Not My Tribe.’”

Zanthe: “Andrew has an uncanny ability to guess, even when he doesn’t know the right answer, which drives me crazy.”

Andrew: “I don’t know the story, but I know Zanthe, so I usually know where it’s going.”

Zanthe: “I actually don’t do a lot of prep, because I find all the stories that I read, which are ‘liberal,’ come from pretty mainstream places like The New York Times. But I’ve gone down the Jezebel route, which I wouldn’t have otherwise, in trying to stump him.”

Talking it out

Andrew: “One thing about the podcast is that it’s forced me to think about things that I think many men [avoid]. It has been good in that way. ... There are other elements where I was feeling a certain way about things — less liberal and more conservative — and it has firmed up some of those beliefs. So it’s been a mixed bag. But it’s definitely been interesting and fun, and thought-provoking.”

Zanthe: “Ironically, I think it’s made me a little bit less angry than I would have been, because if you listen, you can tell that Andrew and I have a blast doing this. To know that every two weeks I’m going to have a chance to sit down and talk about serious issues and argue with him but also laugh a lot and see the human side of what’s happening is incredibly reassuring. So it kind of provides me an outlet for my anger that then dissipates the anger. I feel like that’s really helpful because when you’re online, you’re just banging your head against the wall a lot of the time.”

Interview conducted and condensed by Brett Tomlinson 


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2 Responses

James Corsones ’75

6 Years Ago

Agreeing to Disagree

In response to “Zanthe Taylor ’93 and Andrew Boer ’93 dig into political and social issues” (Podcast Spotlight, posted Oct. 30): Great article. I have friends who are ultra-liberal and others who love Donald Trump. You know what? I consider them all friends and intelligent. Sometimes, we just have to agree to disagree. 

It’s enlightening to see a topic from a different perspective and not label it as a liberal or conservative idea. While the country seems to become more polarized, the centrists can still learn to understand the good in most people (must be the Libra in me: always balancing the issues). 

Good luck to Zanthe and Andrew — it makes me proud to be an alum of the consistently rated best university in the United States.

Jan A. Buck ’67

5 Years Ago

Dr. Johnson’s Lesson

Re James Corsones ’75’s letter, “Agreeing to Disagree” (Inbox, Dec. 5):

James, brilliant. I am a fellow Libra. We live in Princeton. So we get Tigers of all stripes visiting us from everywhere for Princeton events. We love them all (the Tigers, that is), though inevitably the weekends go by with an abundance of name-calling. It is mostly “liberal wacko” or “Nazi.” Everyone accepts their sobriquets. All in good fun. We love these people. Though some we acknowledge as true nutcases.

 But here is an anecdote that could save the world. One day Samuel Johnson was walking down a street in London with his biographer Boswell when, turning to Boswell, Johnson said, pointing to a gent across the street approaching in the opposite direction, “Boswell, I hate that man.” To which Boswell responded, “But Dr. Johnson, you do not even know that man. How could you hate him?” And the sage polymath replied, “Boswell, if I knew him, I could not hate him.”

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